Pahlka and Teles on The Ezra Klein Show Podcast

On November 22, 2024, Niskanen’s Jennifer Pahlka and Steven Teles joined Ezra Klein on the New York Times’s Ezra Klein Show podcast. Pahlka and Teles discuss why the country has become polarized over institutions; the ways this was supercharged during the pandemic; the reasons government agencies are so focused on process, often at the expense of outcomes; and how a second Trump administration will likely distract from some much needed institutional reforms.